Dogs... [Archive] - Wakarusa Forum

montgomeryburns

02-09-2006, 12:55 AM

I have a dog too.. goes just about everywhere with me. But please DONT BRING YOUR DOG!!!! :lol: Its sad to see them walking around all over, stepping in poo is the last thing I'm worried about with dogs all over. We had a few dogs wander into our site last year, 1 stuck around all night, he was sleeping under our canopy when we came back from little feat, and stayed for umphreys and all that, and then he was gone in the morning. Cool pup, but I really felt bad for him.

meatstick

02-09-2006, 05:15 AM

you rat bastard and your ability to get harpoon...photogirl... i used to sell that stuff at phish shows.. right now im salivating just thing about the sampler pack with the carmel porter. mmmmmm...... beer...

scottt

02-09-2006, 02:13 PM

Monty speaks the truth. You are an irresponsible pet owner if you bring your dog to a festival.

I have some of the most well trained dogs you've ever seen (my wife is an expert trainer and competes in working dog competitions at the national and north american championship level), but I would never consider bringing them into such a hostile environment.

Some CANDY-slinging w00ks stopped by my site last year with their pooch in tow. While they conducted business near-by I had to scrounge up water for their dog because it was totally dehydrated. It stayed in the shade with me and didn't want to follow them... poor thing!

Providing for a dog is nearly as difficult as taking care of a child. You can't let them run loose. How many of you have heard people looking for their lost dog after a show? You have to be sure they aren't hurting anyone or in a position to be hurt themselves. In such a crowded environment with tons of foot and vehicle traffic and who-knows-what dropped on the ground ready to be eaten by the animal, the only safe place would be to keep them in a kennel back at your campsite... but it gets too hot! You'd have to keep going back to provide fresh water, food, shade, and probably a fan if you have an electric hookup. But what fun is that for you or the dog?

No one can produce a valid argument that bringing their dog is the right thing to do. If you think I'm wrong, you are simply deluding yourself. Leave your pets at home with friends or family, or board them where they will be properly fed/watered/exercised. You will enjoy the weekend that much more without the responsibility of petcare, and best of all your dog will be safe and healthy when you return....
[/soapbox]

scottt

02-09-2006, 02:18 PM

As a follow-up... there are some wonderful people providing Pet-sitting services all over the country:
http://petsit.com/locate.asp

Rates are reasonable and they'll come to your house so the dog is in familiar surroundings. Check 'em out!

randall747

02-09-2006, 02:20 PM

Well said Scott. I would never risk my little buddy Floyd at a fest.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/randall747/Buddy.jpg

randall747

02-09-2006, 02:25 PM

One of our fellow Wakarusians has a pet sitting business here in the KC area. She posts on this forum as browneyedgirl. Her website is http://www.fourpawspetsitters.com

JackDog

02-09-2006, 02:48 PM

[quote:f80563de03=\"scottt\"]You are an irresponsible pet owner if you bring your dog to a festival.[/quote:f80563de03]
That can't be stressed enough. My dog is 9 years old, and the longest that we've ever been apart was last years' Waka, and the second longest was Waka '04. I'd be willing to bet that I'm closer to my dog than anyone here, but I know that leaving him at home is in his best interests.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f97/JeremyLykins/lakepic.jpg

notkuroda

02-09-2006, 03:47 PM

that's great advice, thanks for the info. We are probably going to be getting a dog soon. I love dogs, but don't have one because
1)I have kids, 2 of them, it's tough to get ready for a third
2)I like to leave town too darn much

fortuneately I am about to buy a home that's conducive to dog ownership and I have networked enough so that when I do travel the pooch will be well taken care of. Seeing dogs at shows and festivals makes me angry. They rarely look like happy dogs who are well taken care of, more like 4 legged versions of their scum-ass counterparts

mamacita

02-09-2006, 03:57 PM

Oh yeah!! Doggy pictures!!! Everyone share the doggy love!!

We can take the boob thread DOWN! (just kidding boys - I already have boobs but no doggy yet!)

So cats - are you saying it's a BAD idea to bring the gatos? again - kidding!

sagenspirit

02-09-2006, 04:15 PM

I don't have a dog, but if I did, it would be a Bernese Mountain Dog. Those dogs look so damn cool. I want one.

katitious

02-09-2006, 04:17 PM

I'm glad to see there's so many responsible pet owners here :)

Here's my 9 year old furchild, he'll be spending the week with Granny ;)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b83/stacybonnaroo/Chicago/jackjack2.jpg

Pauly's Cheese

02-09-2006, 04:26 PM

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/wakapauly/Hambone.jpg

Hampton River Knight

CrispyChrisBCritter

02-09-2006, 05:09 PM

WAKARUSA IS HAVING A DOG SHOW IN 2006 (http://www.eddyjoecotton.com/yarddogs.html)

astroevan

02-09-2006, 07:25 PM

Here's two of my dog

ASTRO

http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/7476/img00034cy.jpg

randall747

02-09-2006, 07:34 PM

Hampton, Astro, furchild, Scott's, and Jack's dogs look happy. Dogs are simply the best.

Pauly, were you and Hampton River Knight on a river? Looks wet and by a boat.

K_Ride

02-09-2006, 07:34 PM

I don't have a dog, but I have a Liger.

\"1/2 Lion and 1/2 Tiger, pretty much my favorite animal.\"

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/Kilbride/DSCF0493.jpg

randall747

02-09-2006, 07:36 PM

http://gr.bolt.com/previews/featured/gamecube/odama/odama_liger.jpg

Pauly's Cheese

02-09-2006, 07:43 PM

[quote:16e71eae20=\"randall747\"]Hampton, Astro, furchild, Scott's, and Jack's dogs look happy. Dogs are simply the best.

Pauly, were you and Hampton River Knight on a river? Looks wet and by a boat.[/quote:16e71eae20]
That was actually in the middle of Shawnee Mission Lake in my canoe.

And you can just call him Hambone. He likes that the best. :lol:

randall747

02-09-2006, 07:48 PM

Let's go canoeing(sp?) sometime together. Been a really long time for me.

I don't think my Floyd is read to join us yet though. He'd just run in a straight line fast and far looking for squirrels or something.

Pauly's Cheese

02-09-2006, 07:54 PM

I'm down. Just needs to get a little warmer. I usually head down south to the Elk River or the Buffalo (when it's running). The Elk is generally a lazy, beer drinking, party river while the Buffalo can be kinda hairy at times. Most of the times, I just like to get ****ty and float down to my camp about 8 or 9 miles. No driving involved afterward = great fun.

randall747

02-09-2006, 08:09 PM

[quote:feea2a8b73=\"Pauly's Cheese\"]Most of the times, I just like to get ****ty and float down to my camp about 8 or 9 miles. No driving involved afterward = great fun.[/quote:feea2a8b73]

Hell yea! :D

tnkrbellup

02-09-2006, 08:11 PM

Beautiful dogs, everyone & gorgeous kitty K-cat! I felt so bad for all those dogs wandering around last year. I love dogs, but I feel strongly that there's a place for them, and gatherings with lots of people, lots of noise, and lots of space to get lost is not the place. It's very unfair to the sweet critters, as well as the people attending. Not everyone loves animals....many people are even scared of them. Please, please, please be respectful of everyone at the fest & of the animals too, don't bring them. Getting off my soapbox now to share photos of my sweet critters :D .

Our grandpa pooch, Barney. He has no depth perception, can't hear, his hind legs don't work well, and he recently had his toe amputated, but he's still our wild puppy!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/tnkrbellup/90230736389_290_1.jpg
Our sweet kitty girls, Junie B. Jones & Lucille. Looking innocent. Hah!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/tnkrbellup/40058353157_290_1.jpg

randall747

02-09-2006, 08:51 PM

Barney looks like an awesome dog with the cool eyebrows, hair, and the big smile. :D

tnkrbellup

02-09-2006, 10:46 PM

Thanks Randall. He is a good pooch. We've had a lot of fun with him during the last 15 years, that's for sure. It started out ruff though....right after we got him from his temporary residence Wayside Waifs, he shredded the entire KC Sunday newspaper in our bedroom! Silly puppy. Your little Floyd is a doll! How old is he?
Awwww puppies....gotta love 'em!

PolyOntology

02-09-2006, 11:18 PM

great pics from everyone! i gotta join in the fun...here are my two closest non-human friends:

maggie, pretty spastic, probably a teenager in dog years:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e348/polyontology/IMG_0154.jpg

and azrielle, the only ***** i've had on my lap in quite a while

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e348/polyontology/azrielle1-07-063.jpg

randall747

02-10-2006, 08:24 AM

Good pics Poly. I hope you get more *****.

Tnk, my little buddy Floyd is about a year and a half. He's a smart little sucker. He had a rough start though. He was found on the side of the road nearly dead from fleas draining the life out of him. I think someone threw him away literally because he is completely freaked out around garbage trucks and won't go near trash cans. He hates garbage day and I can hardly take him for a walk if there are garbage cans around :(

He is healthy, loved, and spoiled now. :D

travelphan

02-10-2006, 08:41 AM

I think my dog is the definition of spoiled....Greatest dog I have ever had. He is 125 lbs of Blue Healer, Shepherd and Huskie....His name is Forbin

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/travelphan/100_0090.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/travelphan/100_0130.jpg

randall747

02-10-2006, 08:48 AM

Forbin is a cool looking dog!

Great thread!

uncurled

02-10-2006, 08:51 AM

your ***** looks like my *****s..... I have two, their names are Stella and Blue.... :oops: :lol:

I have a 1yr old siberian huskey named molly,

travelphan

02-10-2006, 08:51 AM

Thanks :!: :!: His one blue eye and one brown eye always gets peoples attention
My wife and I could not imagine our life without him. He is all about the love...he is literally like our child.

CPJSJohnny

02-10-2006, 09:20 AM

Here are mine!
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/5288/dogsandme0016ze.jpg

uncurled

02-10-2006, 02:24 PM

This is molly when she was about 4mths.....

http://myspace-679.vo.llnwd.net/00491/97/61/491091679_m.jpg

randall747

02-10-2006, 02:38 PM

Molly's pretty. No pictures of your *****s?

Hey Johnny, how old are your pups?

K_Ride

02-10-2006, 02:50 PM

The Liger's name is Urban
His prey.........Wookies!!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/Kilbride/DSCF0028.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/Kilbride/DSCF0029.jpg

uncurled

02-10-2006, 02:59 PM

[quote:d36a95671b=\"randall747\"]Molly's pretty. No pictures of your *****s?[/quote:d36a95671b]

:lol: :lol:

not yet, I've taken some, but they'll be big before I devolope them.

randall747

02-10-2006, 03:21 PM

[quote:f49cffaf9a=\"uncurled\"][quote:f49cffaf9a=\"randall747\"]Molly's pretty. No pictures of your *****s?[/quote:f49cffaf9a]

:lol: :lol:

not yet, I've taken some, but they'll be big before I devolope them.[/quote:f49cffaf9a]

:wink:

Wow k-liger. I bet Urban has eaten all of the lizards in Stuart.

K_Ride

02-10-2006, 03:42 PM

[/quote]

Wow k-liger. I bet Urban has eaten all of the lizards in Stuart.[/quote]

..............and Tallahasee. That's where we are now visiting Miss Worley. Alabama has a ***** cat named Sweetie Pie (no joke). I think lizards are the farthest thing from the liger's mind :wink:

K-pielovertoo

randall747

02-10-2006, 03:52 PM

I love *****.

notkuroda

02-10-2006, 04:26 PM

more than boobs?

say it ain't so

randall747

02-10-2006, 04:36 PM

There's much more to me than just boobs. It's true. I like the front and rear butt, the mouth, ears, legs, hair, neck, arms, back, eyes, belly button, rum, and music.

K_Ride

02-10-2006, 04:42 PM

I like milk with my pie. But I'll take the pie over milk if I have to make the choice :wink:

CPJSJohnny

02-13-2006, 03:50 PM

[quote:73ea9ddb23=\"randall747\"]
Hey Johnny, how old are your pups?[/quote:73ea9ddb23]

We celebrated Essie's (the yellow lab/beagle mix) 10th birthday yesterday (we don't really know when she was born but we figured we were pretty close, she (just her) got to go riding with us and we stopped and got her a new toy. Copper (the Chessie) is probably about seven and Dusty (the Aussie) is about five. All of our dogs were grown when we got them as they were all taken in because previous owners could not keep them for some reason or another.

CPJSJohnny

02-14-2006, 09:27 AM

Here are three of our eight cats.

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/4105/cats0017lb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Trey is the orange and white cat.
George is the orange tabby.
Mr. Wilson is the other one.

uncurled

02-14-2006, 09:33 AM

that's alot of *****! :shock:

CPJSJohnny

02-14-2006, 09:44 AM

[quote:4cd9bccda3=\"uncurled\"]that's alot of *****! :shock:[/quote:4cd9bccda3]
It surely is!

Pauly's Cheese

02-14-2006, 01:16 PM

I thought I'd post some quotes about dogs.

The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue. - Anonymous

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face. - Ben Williams

A dog is the only thing in the world that loves you more than he loves himself. - Josh Billings

The average dog is a nicer person than the average person. - Andy Rooney

We give dogs time we can spare, space we can spare and love we can spare. And in return, dogs give us their all. It's the best deal man has ever made. - M. Acklam

I wonder if other dogs think poodles are members of a weird religious cult. - Rita Rudner

A dog teaches a boy fidelity, perseverance, and to turn around tree times before lying down. - Robert Benchley

Anybody who doesn't know what soap tastes like never washed a dog. - Franklin P. Jones

If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I have known will go to Heaven, and very, very few persons. - James Thurber

Women and cats will do as they please. Men and dogs should relax and get usaed to the idea. - Robert A. Heinlein

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between dog and man. - Mark Twain

You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a look that says, \"Wow, you're right! I never would've thought of that! - Dave Barry

Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole. - Roger Caras

If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your pocket and then give him only two of them. - Phil Pastoret

My goal in life is to be as good of a person my dog already thinks I am. - Unknown

mamacita

02-14-2006, 01:25 PM

lol....those are great Pauly!

My personal favorite has always been:

\"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read!\" - Groucho Marx

phishful

02-14-2006, 03:47 PM

I think it's OK to bring your dog, but if you have somewhere else better to keep them you should do that. And if you do bring them treat them the way you would want to be treated and keep them close. I don't know how many times I've had to watch a dog at a festi until hours or even days later some smashed out kid comes along looking for his poor lost dog. Gotta love the dogs though!!! Lots of Love

scottt

02-14-2006, 05:09 PM

I think it's OK to bring your dog[/quote:a29481d0eb]

No, you're wrong. It is NOT OK.
The festival organizers don't want you to bring your dog.
The people camping next to you with their young child who is terrified of dogs don't want you to bring your dog.
*I* don't want you to bring your dog - and I'm a HUGE fan of dogs!
The Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks don't want you to bring your dog. OK - technically they allow dogs in state parks, but I'll quote from their website:
[quote]Pets must always be restrained by a camper, cage, hand-held leash, or tethered chain no longer than 10 feet. They are not allowed on swimming beaches or swimming areas that are delineated by buoys or other markers or in public buildings or structures.

Does your dog want to spend four days in a cage or tied out under the hot summer sun? It's not that your dog couldn't have a good time in the park. It's an issue of safety for your pet and other concertgoers. What is your dog going to do while you're watching the bands? Locked in your car? Zipped up in your tent? Those aren't safe options for the dog. If you're just going to hang out in the campgrounds with your dog the whole time, please don't come to Wakarusa. Tickets will sell out and there are plenty of music lovers who want to go for the tunes.

[quote:a29481d0eb=\"phishful\"]but if you have somewhere else better to keep them you should do that.[/quote:a29481d0eb]

If you can't find someone to take care of your pets while you go on vacation for four days, then you shouldn't go. It's as simple as that. Dogs=Kids They are members of your family who depend on you. There will be parents who bring kids to the festival, but the whole family is allowed to enter the festival grounds while your dog is not. Find a dog-sitter so you can have a worry-free time.

I'm not saying you can't ever travel with your dog. My shepherds have travelled through over half the states in the U.S. and a couple Canadian provinces... but we have a van specifically outfitted for the dogs with crates, fans, shade, and access to water. A large gathering of people such as Wakarusa is NOT the place for your dog. Do the right thing...
[/soapbox, again]

I'm really not a stick-in-the-mud type of person - I'm just really passionate about keeping the festival grounds and your pets safe! And to phishful - this isn't anything personal towards you... thanks for taking care of stray animals at the show. I had to do the same thing last year.

ramblingrob

02-14-2006, 06:36 PM

Well said, Scott.

Dogs DONT belong there. Last year, it explicitly stated that dogs were not allowed and I saw DOZENS. Lots were there.

Please leave your dogs home. Or if you are travelling from afar, take your dog to a kennel in Lawrence and go visit him/her once (or twice) a day while at Waka (you can go in and out w/o a hassle).

I have a dog, too.-- Omar, almost 11 year old German Shepard.

PeteisWho

02-14-2006, 08:04 PM

[quote:6f5afc92f9=\"ramblingrob\"]Well said, Scott.

Dogs DONT belong there. Last year, it explicitly stated that dogs were not allowed and I saw DOZENS. Lots were there.

Please leave your dogs home. Or if you are travelling from afar, take your dog to a kennel in Lawrence and go visit him/her once (or twice) a day while at Waka (you can go in and out w/o a hassle).

I have a dog, too.-- Omar, almost 11 year old German Shepard.[/quote:6f5afc92f9]

How about this: DON'T admit people with dogs! What about it Waka? Why did you let so many in last year? Another empty threat for this year or are dogs (and the knuckleheads bringing them) going to be sent home?

Hazel Green

02-14-2006, 08:06 PM

everyone here sounds like responsible dog owners, as I am too, and I agree, they don't belong at fests.

just want to offer a word of caution too, because some people WILL sneak their dogs in, it's inevitable I think.

Last year I walked past a parked pickup truck in a nearby camp that had 2 dogs chained to it. I work with rescue dogs and am well aware of dog behavior so I was careful and kept my distance. but I did verbally greet the 2 dogs and they began snarling and snapping against their chains ready to tear me apart. quite disconcerting.

those kinds of dogs I DEFINITELY do not like to see at fests.

On another note, a dog wandered into our camp the last day as we were packing up, he was some sort of husky mixed breed and very hot and thirsty. I gave him water and he parked himself in the shade of our van to cool off. after awhile he wandered off but I never saw him find his people.

PeteisWho

02-14-2006, 08:10 PM

[quote=\"Hazel Green\"]everyone here sounds like responsible dog owners, as I am too, and I agree, they don't belong at fests.

just want to offer a word of caution too, because some people WILL sneak their dogs in, it's inevitable I think.

Last year I walked past a parked pickup truck in a nearby camp that had 2 dogs chained to it. I work with rescue dogs and am well aware of dog behavior so I was careful and kept my distance. but I did verbally greet the 2 dogs and they began snarling and snapping against their chains ready to tear me apart. quite disconcerting.

I say again...What's it going to be Waka? Are you going to kick those dumbskulls out this year?? If not, why? Don't let them in. If they get in, kick them out. If you can ban harmless \"boobs\", you can protect real abused animals and threatened campers/children. Right?

tnkrbellup

02-14-2006, 08:25 PM

It was very sad last year to see numerous dogs roaming around the camp grounds & streets. The only way I can voice it, is by saying it's just not fair. Not fair to the dogs. Not fair to the people attending the festival. There just isn't any reason to bring an animal to Wakarusa.

I was in street team camping near the pooch Jackstraw referred to. The owner took care of him, but he was tied up in the shade for the majority of the festival. The owner walked him daily, yet the poor pooch was very eager for attention. I was careful not to go near him....you just never know when a calm, loving dog can turn mean. They have stress just as humans do. And I'm sure this guy was stressed! He was on a long tether with space to roam, but it's still not enough. On top of that, there were areas around our camp that I was hesitant to go because I had no idea how the dog would react to me. I didn't want to risk it. After the second day, it was getting somewhat aggravating to me that I couldn't walk around our general camp area because of the dog. And the poor guy just wanted to be around his people. Not fair to me. Not fair to the animal.

I also remember reading somewhere the amount, (percentage or number...I don't recall), of stray dogs that came into the Lawrence animal shelter after Waka. It was frightening. Granted, not all of those dogs were because of the festival, but they did see an unusual rise in those few days following the festival. So it was curious.

No dogs allowed means no dogs allowed. Please.

randall747

02-17-2006, 03:03 PM

I'm bumping this thread for three reasons.

1) To say well said Scott, tnk, and other dog lovers.

2) To share this picture:

http://www.funnypracticaljokes.com/images/funny-stuff/funny-pictures/gross.jpg

and 3) Because Custy started this thread and I love Custy.

katitious

02-21-2006, 01:59 PM

[quote:408ac1de22=\"Hazel Green\"]
Last year I walked past a parked pickup truck in a nearby camp that had 2 dogs chained to it. I work with rescue dogs and am well aware of dog behavior so I was careful and kept my distance. but I did verbally greet the 2 dogs and they began snarling and snapping against their chains ready to tear me apart. quite disconcerting. [/quote:408ac1de22]

Also, those dogs could've otherwise been very nice dogs...but when a dog is chained up someplace, fear and territorial issues come up. If a dog is in a strange place with thousands of people, they're obviously going to be a little freaked out and wondering what the hell is going on...if they're scared they either \"Fight or Flight\", since they can't \"flee\" because they are chained, they are forced to fight and become aggressive. Also, dogs that are chained for long periods of time tend to think of their space as THEIR SPACE and no one is allowed in it! So anyone who comes to close will be warned to back off!

Its so sad to think of any dog being chained up - let alone at a festival. There is just no good reason to bring your furkids along...none.

scottt

02-21-2006, 04:55 PM

Speaking of keeping dogs on a line...

Many years ago, my brothers yellow lab accidentally hung itself while tied in the backyard. It doesn't take much to distract a dog and cause it to tangle its leash/chain/whatever. Trust me, you do not want to come home from work (or arrive back at your campsite!) to find your dog strung up :cry:

IMO it's best to crate-train your dog. Teach it from puppyhood that the crate is a safe place. Feed it in there. Have it sleep in there. You can get collapsible crates for travel. Your dog will feel at home even when on the road if it has its crate to hang out in.

katitious

02-22-2006, 01:22 PM

[quote:a118f014d1=\"scottt\"]Speaking of keeping dogs on a line...

Many years ago, my brothers yellow lab accidentally hung itself while tied in the backyard. It doesn't take much to distract a dog and cause it to tangle its leash/chain/whatever. Trust me, you do not want to come home from work (or arrive back at your campsite!) to find your dog strung up :cry:

IMO it's best to crate-train your dog. Teach it from puppyhood that the crate is a safe place. Feed it in there. Have it sleep in there. You can get collapsible crates for travel. Your dog will feel at home even when on the road if it has its crate to hang out in.[/quote:a118f014d1]

Ehh... I've never really been a big fan of crate-training. I know people can do it humanely and I don't mind that, but so many times people misunderstand the proper use of the crate (*coughmyidiotneighborcough*)...besides I got my pooch when he was 8 years old, so he's most comfortable sleeping on the couch hah ;) But the same idea, we have his \"bed\" (which is a freaking memory foam pad!! better than my bed!) which we can easily tote around to make him feel at home when we're someplace new.

But definitely, chaining a dog is just wrong - try something humane...and what's worse is so many people don't see anything wrong with it :(

uncurled

02-22-2006, 01:27 PM

remember that scene in national lampoon's vacation? it's not okay to chain your dog to your car.

katitious

02-22-2006, 01:33 PM

[quote:ad41670ec8=\"uncurled\"]remember that scene in national lampoon's vacation? it's not okay to chain your dog to your car.[/quote:ad41670ec8]

oh god. :shock:

Coop

02-22-2006, 02:07 PM

what people need to remember is dog's are smart enough, but also have pretty small brains. if you teach them from a very young age that Crate training is good, then they learn to live with it very easily. it is not cruel. it is in fact better for the dog long-term because it teaches them boundaries and restraint. the most critical time in a dog's training is the first 6 months of life, after that, if you did a good job w/ discipline, then you should have yourself a good dog that can adapt. my 2 cents

i do agree with everyone else on the Waka/Dog thing....leave your dog at home. they belong there.

katitious

02-22-2006, 02:14 PM

[quote:781c542fe8=\"Coop\"]what people need to remember is dog's are smart enough, but also have pretty small brains. if you teach them from a very young age that Crate training is good, then they learn to live with it very easily. it is not cruel. it is in fact better for the dog long-term because it teaches them boundaries and restraint. the most critical time in a dog's training is the first 6 months of life, after that, if you did a good job w/ discipline, then you should have yourself a good dog that can adapt. my 2 cents[/quote:781c542fe8]

Definitely, but some people think that crate training means keeping your dog in a cage all day long like he's in a shelter or something. That's what my neighbor upstairs does and when her first puppy caused too much trouble for her, she got rid of it and got a german shepherd pup. It makes me want to cry having to listen to the poor pup running around in circles, crying his little heart out all day long and all night long. She didn't take any time to actually train the dog to learn that the crate is his \"safe place\", she just shoved him in there and locked the door. Puppies need LOTS of exercise, not only for physical health, but it releases endorphins in the brain that helps them to relax and be calm...which makes it easier to teach discipline and do training. So locking a dog up in a crate for more than 6 hours a day is just not good...that's when it makes me crazy. But so long as people are doing it right, exercising their dogs, and teaching them that the crate is a \"safe place\" and not just a prison - I can see the good...I just choose not to use crates as a personal preference myself...

But seriously, I'd like to steal my neighbors dog if I could...I don't even know why she owns one. :(

randall747

02-22-2006, 02:28 PM

That's sad katitious.

Crate training is great for a dog if done properly. It can be harmful for the dog if abused. It should never be a place of punishment.

katitious

02-22-2006, 03:26 PM

Yeah, sadly this isn't the only problem I'm having with her, but it is the most frustrating. There isn't anything I can do and I've already tried bothering Anti-Cruelty, but its no use. So long as he's fed and has shelter, they have bigger issues to deal with than to come by and educate her on responsible pet ownership. *sigh* I've tried talking to her but she's just rude and ignorant... :evil:

randall747

02-22-2006, 03:32 PM

katitious,

Normally I've a very peaceful person. But, I'll make an exception for animal cruelity. Would you like me to smack the bitch?

Randall

katitious

02-22-2006, 03:38 PM

I definitely would. I try to be a peaceful person but I tend to have a really short temper (I think I get that from my mother, hah)...so many times I've come so close to marching up there and busting down her door. Or! When she had her old pup, he whined too much in the cage so she locked him on the back porch...which although is enclosed, is not heated. And this is Chicago winter - we're talking about windchills of 0º and below. Oh there have been so many times my boy had to \"hold me back\"...because I was ready to unleash the fury!

What's funny is, I refrain from talking to her when I'm angry because I know I'll lose my cool - so the boy has to do the talking for me. She told my landlord she thinks HE has a bad temper...we all had a good laugh about that.

:roll:

randall747

02-22-2006, 03:50 PM

Hmmm. What a ****ty situation. I don't understand why people would get an animal if they don't want it around. Mean people piss me off. :evil: Poor dogs... Well, if you or I don't do something, perhaps Karma will put her in her place someday. Karma can kick some serious ass.

katitious

02-22-2006, 03:52 PM

Yes. Let's hope for it! :cry:

funkyhippiechick

02-22-2006, 04:06 PM

I don't understand that either. That is how I got my dog. I used to hang at a friends house all the time and one day there was this teeny puppy in a cage in the driveway of the house across the street. I went over to say hi and noticed he didin't have any food or water. This is in the Florida sun in July. I brought him nourishment and went back the next day. Same deal. So I took him on the 4th day. Turns out he had worms and mange and shouldn't have even been away from his mom yet. 3 years later Dude and I are very happy together!

katitious

02-22-2006, 04:17 PM

That's so sad :( But its great to know that there are so many people out there who actually DO care and don't just treat animals like trash.

JustBob

02-22-2006, 04:58 PM

Dude is much better off with funkyhippiechick. I hear he gets cereal when shes out of dog food :lol:

My old roommate did the cage thing and the dog took to it for the most part. He would rather sleep in the bed, but he knows his place.

As for discipline, a soft foam mussle works better then anything I have ever seen. Anytime the dog won't listen, all my friend needs to do is walk to the desk where he keeps it.

Bob

phishful

02-22-2006, 05:04 PM

We have crate trained our 3yr. Old Chocolate lab since we brought him home at 8wks. old. I was really concerned about leaving him in a crate while we went to work, but it has turned out to be his favorite place to chill even when we are at home. Just keep lots of creature comforts like toys, bones etc... (we even put some old t-shirts of ours in there when he was a pup so he could get our scent to make him more comfortable). But to each there own :D
Lots of Love, Lauren

Pauly's Cheese

02-22-2006, 06:07 PM

[quote:ac03ba2989=\"phishful\"]we even put some old t-shirts of ours in there when he was a pup so he could get our scent to make him more comfortable[/quote:ac03ba2989]
That's great. It really makes a difference, too. Your bond becomes closer.

I have to leave my dog in the house when I go to work because he likes to jump the fence, but he really likes to lie on the futon and watch the history channel. I think he was an emperor in his previous life. If I leave any clothes around the house while I'm gone, he will drag them up to the futon so it's like I'm sitting there with him.

katitious

02-22-2006, 06:46 PM

[quote:2380926f7e=\"Pauly's Cheese\"]...but he really likes to lie on the futon and watch the history channel. I think he was an emperor in his previous life.[/quote:2380926f7e]
hahaha, I know that!

The world's most comfortable and lazy dog:

<img src=\"http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b83/stacybonnaroo/apartment/jacksleeping.jpg\" border=\"0\" alt=\"Image hosting by Photobucket\">

:lol:

emmablue

02-22-2006, 09:56 PM

I love my stupid bitch! Her name is Payton, Paytonia for short or Weetzie Bat or 'Silly Girl' http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL942/3475623/9289060/130443381.jpghttp://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL942/3475623/9289060/130442852.jpghttp://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL942/3475623/9289060/130442848.jpghttp://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL942/3475623/9289060/130442851.jpg

tnkrbellup

02-22-2006, 09:58 PM

Ahhh....miss emmablue! Hellooooo! Great pooch! And Weetzie Bat, what a great book :D .

emmablue

02-22-2006, 10:03 PM

im going to go cuddle with her right now!

tink where are you camping this year? drag your honey will you!

how far did you get in the pema chodron book? that book is always there for you anytime you need it! and me too! my number is 720 352 0398...well anytime i pick up my phone i suppose, but you know what i mean.

*hugs*

yeah Ecstasia is my favorite by Lia Block though Payton really does look like a bat sometimes, I have take a photo of her upside down...

tnkrbellup

02-22-2006, 10:47 PM

No camping plans yet, miss blue. I have two \"maybes\", but won't know until right before the festival. You know how laid back those free-spirited folks are :wink: .

I've only read 2 or 3 of the Block books, but liked what I read. I'm horrible at remembering titles though. I walk around around at work with my head ****ed to side reading the spines.....then I'll say, \"Oooooh! This was a great book!\". 'Bout the only way I can recall them. heeheehee. Sorry to say, but I didn't get far with that book. I tried, but something else got in the way. Probably some fluff young adult book like Gossip Girls or something :oops: .
Many hugs to you sweet emma! Email me! I'm horrible about talking on the phone. Smoooooooch!

punkin

02-22-2006, 11:01 PM

There are a number of great boarding options and vets in Lawrence that can provide care for beloved doggies over the wakarusa weekend. The prevailing rate is $8-15/day.

We live locally, and last year, because i wanted to camp, i hired a dogsitter for the weekend so i wouldn't have to stress about it. Our dogs are our babies--they sleep with us, live on the furniture, have the run of the house and the yard. I am their person, and am responsible for their safety and comfort.

Pets and fests just don't mix. Festivals have too much noise, fast-moving vehicles and bikes, way too big of crowds, hot vehicles and sun-drenched camps, unaware children and spaced out hippies. And dogs? It's a bad mix.

PLEASE--Leave your critters at home, or if you must bring them to Kansas, board them...pm me if you want boarding options.

A WARNING: :shock: If i see a dog locked in a car, i WILL smash the window, and drive the dog into town, never to be seen by the owner again.

Harsh? Hell Yes. But your pet can't vote, and if you use bad judgement, your animal suffers. Not on my watch.

soulacious

02-23-2006, 08:33 AM

punkin...you rock!

GregH

02-23-2006, 08:56 AM

Right on punkin!
I have done exactly what you described. Had to pay for the damage and a small fine but it was worth it. Got bit too. Dog lived though. 88 degrees out and locked in a car while the people were golfing!
Thanks for offering the info on boarding.

emmablue

02-23-2006, 09:26 AM

TINK ~~ Gossip Girls! I've read one of those books, the one where there was some film of these two ppl in the park in the snow...
I want to read all of them, do you have them?

Ciao bella!

emmablue

02-23-2006, 09:28 AM

eeuw kennels suck, i would never do that...

friends all the way!

uncurled

02-23-2006, 11:23 AM

it breaks my heart to part with molly my husky for a whole week, and I unfortunatly don't have a dogsitter (all the people I usually ask are going with us) so I'm going to have to board her. I'm sure she'll be fine, she loves other animals and probably won't notice I've left her in a strange place because of all the new friends she's going to make. :cry:

randall747

02-23-2006, 11:28 AM

uncurled, does that mean you guys will be jamming at my campsite?

I have to board my dog sometimes as well. I hate doing it but it is the only option we have sometimes. He is always so frazzled when we pick him up. :(

uncurled

02-23-2006, 02:02 PM

[quote:3639881ff2=\"randall747\"]uncurled, does that mean you guys will be jamming at my campsite?

I have to board my dog sometimes as well. I hate doing it but it is the only option we have sometimes. He is always so frazzled when we pick him up. :([/quote:3639881ff2]

As far as I know, our whole band is down for playing the lot, I'm pretty sure it's going to happen...........we just need to get our tix...........................

randall747

02-23-2006, 02:09 PM

[quote:02b349bfce=\"uncurled\"][quote:02b349bfce=\"randall747\"]uncurled, does that mean you guys will be jamming at my campsite?

I have to board my dog sometimes as well. I hate doing it but it is the only option we have sometimes. He is always so frazzled when we pick him up. :([/quote:02b349bfce]

As far as I know, our whole band is down for playing the lot, I'm pretty sure it's going to happen...........we just need to get our tix...........................[/quote:02b349bfce]

Let me know once you get your tix. I'll let you know where we are camping (there will be a lot of us there). We'll try and schedule a jam session / forum meet up at our camp site. I tried this last year with a friends bluegrass band but everyone got trashed and went in different directions. :wink: Very difficult to organize but it could happen.

Now, to stay on topic, I love dogs and will help punkin on the rescue mission.

jseljos

02-23-2006, 02:12 PM

Bording the dogs is rough, for both owner and dog. We lucked out in our area. We have Alpine Micky's Dog B&B. We have 4 dogs. The littlest goes to a neighbor's house to stay, but the three big dogs go to Alpine Micky's. This place is great. They have big rooms for the dogs that are dog people, and then smaller ones for the more anti-social pups. The rooms have couches and TVs and stuff to make the dogs feel at home. Our shepherd was always really freaked out when we picked him up from boarding, but not anymore. They're all just as happy as can be when they stay here. During the summer, they put a huge pool outside for the dogs to play in. Our Golden loves that. Now if we can just get our Newfie used to the water... big baby!
If any of you live near Denver and want the best place in the world for you dogs to stay, go check out Alpine Micky's. They are in Bailey, CO. http://www.alpinemickys.com

jseljos

02-23-2006, 02:19 PM

I should also say that although their website makes them out to be a pretentious fru-fru kind of place, they are sooooo not that kind of place. These are very laid back mountain folk and the prices are very reasonable. It's well worth the drive from anywhere in the Denver area...

JustBob

02-23-2006, 02:21 PM

I have no dog to worry about, but I'm very happy to see the ship is coming to Waka. Get them tickets and try to book a tour around it. Party in the middle!!!!!

Bob

randall747

02-23-2006, 04:21 PM

http://www.clevelandseniors.com/images/funny/iflooks.jpg

uncurled

02-24-2006, 09:43 AM

[quote:bed06b30b7=\"JustBob\"]I have no dog to worry about, but I'm very happy to see the ship is coming to Waka. Get them tickets and try to book a tour around it. Party in the middle!!!!!

Bob[/quote:bed06b30b7]

we're gonna do our best!!!!!!! I think it's depending on our bass player...... oh god I want to go sobadihopehecandoitimfreakingout!

Pauly's Cheese

02-27-2006, 04:32 PM

Dear God from the dog:

Let me give you a list of some things I must remember to be a good dog.
1) I will not eat the cats' food before they eat it or after they throw it up.
2) I will not roll on dead seagulls, fish, crabs, etc., just because I like the way they smell.
3) I will not munch on \"leftovers\" in the kitty litter box although they are tasty.
4) The diaper pail is not a cookie jar.
5) The sofa is not a face towel. Neither are Mom and Dad's laps.
6) The garbage collector is not stealing our stuff.
7) My head does not belong in the refrigerator.
8) I will not bite the officer's hand when he reaches in for Mom's drivers license and registration.
9) I will not play tug-of-war with Dad's underwear when he's on the toilet.
10) Sticking my nose into someone's crotch is an unacceptable way of saying \"hello\".
11) I don't need to suddenly stand up straight when I'm under the coffee table.
12) I must shake the rainwater out of my fur before entering the house. Not after.
13) I will not throw up in the car.
14) I will not come in from outside and immediately drag my butt.
15) I will not sit in the middle of the living room and lick my crotch when we have company.
16) The cat is not a squeaky toy so when I play with him and he makes that noise, it's usually not a good thing.

And finally, my last two questions. Why do humans have only 10 commandments and dogs have 16? And most importantly, when I get to heaven, may I have my testicles back?