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aesop435

03-14-2005, 07:34 PM

The reason you're not feeling a lot of love for Cheese around here is because for many of us, there isn't much to feel. While I loved them when they first hit the scene, their music has been on a downhill slide for years and the scene that has attached itself to the band is as ugly as anything that the Dead or Phish ever had in tow. While personally they are great guys with their hearts in the right place, musically they're one-trick ponies that were in the right place at the right time for success, and despite their rabid fan base have done nothing since 'Round the Wheel that deserves the acclaim they've gotten.
That being said, I will admit that it's been a long time since I've seen them and in a way I'm looking forward to catching at least one of their sets with an open mind and hoping they will prove me wrong. Let's just hope they are not up against STS9 or New Monsoon, though, because that's one Cheese set I'll be missing. And I swear they'll be a lot of people very disappointed for the second year in a row if Soundtribe gets booted from a late night set for Cheese. First a thunderstorm now this!

completeki

03-14-2005, 08:10 PM

I agree, but dont we know cheese is already playing a late night?

STS9 is the main attraction for me, this is their year.

Oh and btw, aesop rock is lame. There are tons better than him.

RestlessWind

03-15-2005, 12:10 AM

[quote:f02b812a50=\"aesop435\"]The reason you're not feeling a lot of love for Cheese around here is because for many of us, there isn't much to feel. While I loved them when they first hit the scene, their music has been on a downhill slide for years and the scene that has attached itself to the band is as ugly as anything that the Dead or Phish ever had in tow. While personally they are great guys with their hearts in the right place, musically they're one-trick ponies that were in the right place at the right time for success, and despite their rabid fan base have done nothing since 'Round the Wheel that deserves the acclaim they've gotten.
That being said, I will admit that it's been a long time since I've seen them and in a way I'm looking forward to catching at least one of their sets with an open mind and hoping they will prove me wrong. Let's just hope they are not up against STS9 or New Monsoon, though, because that's one Cheese set I'll be missing. And I swear they'll be a lot of people very disappointed for the second year in a row if Soundtribe gets booted from a late night set for Cheese. First a thunderstorm now this![/quote:f02b812a50]

Really sorry you feel this way.I think they have evolved into something great.Their scene is some of the best people ive met.Much better than Phish lots EVER were.I just saw a few shows this past fall and they were all great.You should go see them again.I wont be missing SCI for anything.

montgomeryburns

03-15-2005, 01:46 AM

Much better than Phish lots EVER were.I just saw a few shows this past fall and they were all great.

I feel sorry for you, you must have been to some bunk lots

Anyhow
most \"jamband\" fans are generally good people, not just sci.

aesop435

03-15-2005, 02:03 AM

True dat, regardless of differences in musical tastes. :wink:

RestlessWind

03-15-2005, 03:06 AM

[quote=\"RestlessWind] Much better than Phish lots EVER were.I just saw a few shows this past fall and they were all great.[/quote:a5be5e9538]

I feel sorry for you, you must have been to some bunk lots

Anyhow
most \"jamband\" fans are generally good people, not just sci.

This I know.Ive been going to shows for over 10 years now.This isnt gonna be my first rodeo in other words.

CPJSJohnny

03-15-2005, 10:34 AM

Much better than Phish lots EVER were.I just saw a few shows this past fall and they were all great.

Ever is a long time, I have to say that the Phish crowd was a pretty sweet place to be in 1992-1995. If you weren't doing shows then I don't think you can back up your statement. I'm not going to bag on the SCI scene, I just want to make the point that the early days of Phish touring were AWESOME in many ways (this was at a point when the Dead scene had already deteriorated).
Johnny B

Denise

03-15-2005, 11:32 AM

[quote:f8f7e172d6=\"aesop435\"]The reason you're not feeling a lot of love for Cheese around here is because for many of us, there isn't much to feel. While I loved them when they first hit the scene, their music has been on a downhill slide for years[/quote:f8f7e172d6]

QFT- same old covers, same sloppy playing, same old bull****.

[quote:f8f7e172d6=\"aesop435\"]Let's just hope they are not up against STS9 . . . . . And I swear they'll be a lot of people very disappointed for the second year in a row if Soundtribe gets booted from a late night set for Cheese. [/quote:f8f7e172d6]
Agreed.

[quote:f8f7e172d6=\"completeki\"]STS9 is the main attraction for me, this is their year. [/quote:f8f7e172d6]
Same here- I know at least 30 kids are are going just for STS9 and the DJ Tent. :D

phish2286

03-15-2005, 12:01 PM

sci rocks. they are just a band that keeps getting better and better. of coarse, there are other bands that I wanna see at the festival (sts9, umphrey's, new monsoon, and many more). but sci late night is def. going to be the highlight of the fest for me

Crowes

03-15-2005, 12:08 PM

SCI bores the **** out of me.

aesop435

03-15-2005, 12:51 PM

Yeah, Cheese gets better and better the same way Phish got better and better. :roll:
Does the crappy music rub off on the scene or does the crappy scene rub off on the music?

Sae

03-15-2005, 12:58 PM

Same here- I know at least 30 kids are are going just for STS9 and the DJ Tent. :D

Do you know who is actually spinning in the dj tent...? I can't wait to check it out, but at the same time I am always worried that it'll be so-so, and when it comes to any genre of electronica I need it to be uptempo w/ some solid mixing (I guess most peeps would like that anyways, oh well)...with that said i would love some D-n-B, maybe even the more melodic DB style...I also would love to see a gospel house dj on sunday morning... Can anyone say terrance Parker!!! That guy is a phenom on the decks and his gospel, disco, house groove is exactly what i would need to freshing up my soul in the morning....

but i guess its like my mom, and the stones, always use to say to me, \"You can't always get what ya want...\"

On another note...I like Cheese, but I also feel that its getting a little repetitive and hope they pull off one hell of show! : :D

outback72

03-15-2005, 01:26 PM

TOTALLY AGREE WITH CPJS JOHNNY

more Keller

03-15-2005, 01:38 PM

Wow, alot of negetive energy towards the CHEESE. I must say I don't understand this AT ALL! I can understand how they might not \"do it\" for some of you but I can say that about most bands. I know a ton of kids who are stoked about SCI at waka this year, late night on Sat. especially! While we're comparing scenes, SCI has to be one of the KINDEST scenes around, I've always felt a great vibe at the shows and in the lot. I say we like what we like, there's no reason for any of us to talk trash about other bands cause that's always towards something someone loves and holds dear, dig? LET THERE BE SONGS TO FILL THE AIR!

aesop435

03-15-2005, 01:45 PM

I just calls 'em like I sees 'em. No trash talk intended. I hope SCI proves me wrong.

more Keller

03-15-2005, 01:47 PM

If we all liked all the music where would be the fun in that? Self expression?

The Be Sharps

03-15-2005, 02:02 PM

Every band seems to have their lull. Moe. sucked for the year leading up to their all night performance at Bonnaroo that first year. Phish sucked in those two years after their hiatus. The Big Wu had a year or two where their shows were terrible.

Hopefully, this is the same story for SCI. It doesn't mean the band inherently sucks. It's just a common thing for bands to go through a year or two where they are just not that good.

SCI did have some really good years though. Right place, right time definitely helped...but i don't think it's the sole reason they got the status they have now. They had some really good shows in '98 and '99 and a few more in the early 2000's. I do agree that the shows over the past couple years haven't been as good.

As far as the one trick pony arg, what is their one trick? I've thought about this before. But really, they've done some different stuff. Individually, at least a few of them are really good. Kyle, Travis and Bill are amazing musicians. The bassist and mandolin player are so-so.

Hopefully, they'll prove us all wrong. I'm willing to check them out with an open mind this year.

Zustanky

03-30-2005, 11:26 AM

I have been a cheese fan for about 7 years now (man time ****in flies), and they have reinvented themselves many times, for better or for worse. I think they have a bit of a stage presence problem/nervousness. I have seen them in so many venues. In intimate theatres and clubs, they are the best jammers and musicians by far. the bigger venues, they have choked hardcore. First year bonnaroo-J5 was audible the next stage over, and the cheese couldn't concentrate, suuuuucked. At Red Rocks with sector 9, best shows ever. And then at Austin City Limits, in front of everyone, Nershi just bitched about feedback, and the show blew. But the previous night at Stubb's, they burned the house down. But I still keep checkin out every show I can from them. The last shows I saw of theirs was the three day run at the backyard in Austin. The first two shows sucked (who the hell is the new percussionist?). Hard. But I will never give up on my favorite band (how they came to be that, Ihave no idea), and true to form on the last night, they seemed happy and comfortable, and they tore it up, giving me that craving to see them yet AGAIN at Wakarusa (texas, howard, shakin the tree, valley of the jig, jellyfish,rollover--that was one set!). And I sincerely believe that if Kang wants to throw down, it pretty much makes or breaks the show.

And the scene- man the scene can get ****in lame too. I mean im all for shakedown street, hula hoops even, but these damn wookies take it to a new level. I have plenty of kind hippy friends, and i feel most at home at this scene, but the little crap weasels just lookin to get hooked up, or the hula hoopers in line for the john (give it a rest, i mean we just wanna pee). maybe im a little old and bitter, but if you are coming for the music, actually listen to the music, or if not give up your ticket to the hippie passed out in the pile of newcastle bottles, but still has manages to keep one finger in the air. Chew on dem apples, and let me know.

CPJSJohnny

03-30-2005, 12:02 PM

[quote:4f45b1c4a2=\"Zustanky\"]I have been a cheese fan for about 7 years now (man time ****in flies), and they have reinvented themselves many times, for better or for worse. I think they have a bit of a stage presence problem/nervousness. I have seen them in so many venues. In intimate theatres and clubs, they are the best jammers and musicians by far. the bigger venues, they have choked hardcore. First year bonnaroo-J5 was audible the next stage over, and the cheese couldn't concentrate, suuuuucked. At Red Rocks with sector 9, best shows ever. And then at Austin City Limits, in front of everyone, Nershi just bitched about feedback, and the show blew. But the previous night at Stubb's, they burned the house down. But I still keep checkin out every show I can from them. The last shows I saw of theirs was the three day run at the backyard in Austin. The first two shows sucked (who the hell is the new percussionist?). Hard. But I will never give up on my favorite band (how they came to be that, Ihave no idea), and true to form on the last night, they seemed happy and comfortable, and they tore it up, giving me that craving to see them yet AGAIN at Wakarusa (texas, howard, shakin the tree, valley of the jig, jellyfish,rollover--that was one set!). And I sincerely believe that if Kang wants to throw down, it pretty much makes or breaks the show.

And the scene- man the scene can get ****in lame too. I mean im all for shakedown street, hula hoops even, but these damn wookies take it to a new level. I have plenty of kind hippy friends, and i feel most at home at this scene, but the little crap weasels just lookin to get hooked up, or the hula hoopers in line for the john (give it a rest, i mean we just wanna pee). maybe im a little old and bitter, but if you are coming for the music, actually listen to the music, or if not give up your ticket to the hippie passed out in the pile of newcastle bottles, but still has manages to keep one finger in the air. Chew on dem apples, and let me know.[/quote:4f45b1c4a2]

I have been going to see SCI for several years now as well and have to say that my biggest beef with the band is inconsistency. I have only seen the do multiple shows in a row a couple of times but on both occassions I noticed that they were a completely different band from one night to the next. One run I saw three shows, the Lawrence show was good, the Columbia show SUCKED BAD, and the St. Louis show was stellar (much better than either night before). When I pay what SCI is charging for a ticket I expect them to throw down EVERY NIGHT regardless of the venue, the crowd, or whatever.

PolyOntology

03-30-2005, 12:13 PM

SCI was the first band to turn me onto the jam band thing when I saw them in July of 2001. Since then I've seen 'em 5 other times, and although each time has been good, it gets less and less interesting because they don't progress enough. I'm sure their performance at Waka will be good at the very least..hopefully since they're debuting some new stuff it'll be REALLY good. Maybe they'll even surprise me and do something AMAZING. Untying the Not was probably the most disappointing studio album I've purchased in a long time (although the art was great), hopefully the new one will make up for that.

goodyeled

03-31-2005, 10:24 AM

I understand what everyone is saying... But i just got back from the denver shows at the fillmore, and my god. Everytime i see them they get better and better. Their new percussionist, Jason Hann, is amazing. He adds a great feel to all the music. And Kang on the last night of the 3 night stand came out and and said they were gonna tear the roof off, and dudes... texas, exodus, chameleon, birdland, and black clouds all in the 2nd set did tear the roof off. I love the cheese! And they are gonna rip up Wakarusa, so everybody better get excited!!!!

more Keller

03-31-2005, 02:13 PM

Right on! That's what I'm talkin' bout, some good ole fashioned CHEESE love, can't wait!

aesop435

03-31-2005, 02:44 PM

I completely disagree w/your opinion of their new percussionist. One of the things that made SCI unique and a joy to see back in the day when they were still hot was Mike Travis' ability to flow smoothly between congas and kit. Never in all the Cheese shows I saw 97-02 (when I stopped putting up with their poor performance and lack of progress) did I think they needed to add another drummer, and I am a percussionist myself. What I have heard via Internet Archive of this year (Langorado, Fillmore) they are leaning heavily on guest artists, Kang is playing like he doesn't want to be there, and the new guy is a total disappointment. They played those Fillmore shows with some of my favorite artists of all time as guests, Dr. John, Perry Farrell, for god's sake, and I just couldn't help feeling they were using it as a crutch as opposed to standing on their own two feet as a band. I REALLY want to like Cheese again. But just when I think I'll give it another chance they dish up the same old crap on a shiny new plate. Maybe it's time for them to concentrate on their solo projects, or take a year (or the rest of their lives) off.

goodyeled

03-31-2005, 10:26 PM

dude, you need to stop complaining and just get happy. They collaberated with those other groups because they are awesome, the jane's addiction song was awesome, the bluegrass the last night was awesome, there was no backbone man. I am not here to argue i just wish that everybody would stop being negative. Wakarusa and music for that matter is about happiness and freedom. If you don't like a band or don't like how someone is playing as of late, keep those thoughts to yourself, because when you go ahead and say that cheese sucks (this is towads anybody that does anything like this) you create a bad thread goin through people's minds. People that are first timers might go in closed minded and never give them a chance, when they really should. All i'm saying is be positive, cheese is gonna kick ass, keller would be nice too, but wakarusa is gonna be a blast, if you let it! remember that man

aesop435

03-31-2005, 10:33 PM

Please refer to the \"STS9 love thread\" or the \"how about some hip-hop\" thread for my exhaustive and verbosely heartfelt apologies that go out to everyone I offended today alone by just being myself and speaking my mind. My criticism seems to have ruffled more than a few feathers. Sorry. Didn't mean to get everyone so riled. I don't make the news, I just report it.
I'm listening to those Fillmore shows again right now and I'm trying to do it with an open mind. Like I've said, I really want to like SCI again. I don't know if it's them or me, but I'm having a hard time doing it.

\"The opinions of Aesop435 do not reflect the opinions of (your name here) or their sponsors.\"

04-01-2005, 10:42 AM

i'd have to agree with aesop435 on sci. i am not trying to just hate on sci or anyone who likes them, but - i am looking for sci to impress me. as an old sci fan who has seen around 30 cheese shows, i use to travel out of state to see them, but after seeing 12 sci shows in year i got way burned out. it is do to their lack of progression, or IMO really even a good effort. as i hear it kyle practices 5 hours a day, but it is usually by himself and rarely the entire band together. that is a lack of effort, phish used to practice 5 hours a day for five days a week before the hiatus - and it showed - it also showed when they didn't practice like that after the hiatus. sci needs some (good) new originals and needs to learn some new covers - i don't want to go see the same show i was seeing in '99. i'll go check them out again at wakarusa, but if they don't impress me this time that will be about it for me and sci.

just my .02,
T

mamabird

04-05-2005, 12:09 PM

I love SCI with all my heart and can't wait to see them at Wakarusa.
The end.
:)

ardnutz

04-05-2005, 03:25 PM

[quote:2251590602=\"aesop435\"]Please refer to the \"STS9 love thread\" or the \"how about some hip-hop\" thread for my exhaustive and verbosely heartfelt apologies that go out to everyone I offended today alone by just being myself and speaking my mind.[/quote:2251590602]

You have your own opinion and that is what this forum is for, but this is getting old. Keep it positive for a week and let your haters cool down. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with any of your posts. I need to follow this advice myself. I hope this is not a reflection of waka itself because this forum is starting to scare me.

aesop435

04-05-2005, 03:51 PM

I thought I was all done with this. Let's not make me into a martyr for the cause of excessive politeness and sugar-coating opinions, especially multiple days after the fact and after many other people have scolded me for not being as nice as they would like, and the 800 or so apologies I've posted to all those who don't agree with me or the way I choose to speak. I stand by my opinions and don't believe in being wishy-washy about them in order to keep everybody from getting all annoyed. I do, however, apologize AGAIN to all those I've offended, in fact all I've done since then is post apologies (as a matter of fact the message just quoted was an apology), defenses, and what I hoped was helpful information regarding subjects totally unrelated to opinion of any kind.
I suggest anyone with anything else to say about it critically read my last handful of posts on all threads related to SCI, STS9, and hip-hop before making me into some kind of monster.
Now everybody just get off my case, get back to talking about Cheese, and since my opinions are already WIDELY known, I will keep them to myself on this subject from here on out.

\"Everybody is stupid but me.\"-Homer Simpson, moments before his house catches on fire.

Denise

04-05-2005, 04:13 PM

[quote:e64900861f=\"#7\"]i'd have to agree with aesop435 on sci. i am not trying to just hate on sci or anyone who likes them, but - i am looking for sci to impress me. as an old sci fan who has seen around 30 cheese shows, i use to travel out of state to see them, but after seeing 12 sci shows in year i got way burned out. it is do to their lack of progression, or IMO really even a good effort. as i hear it kyle practices 5 hours a day, but it is usually by himself and rarely the entire band together. that is a lack of effort, phish used to practice 5 hours a day for five days a week before the hiatus - and it showed - it also showed when they didn't practice like that after the hiatus. sci needs some (good) new originals and needs to learn some new covers - i don't want to go see the same show i was seeing in '99. i'll go check them out again at wakarusa, but if they don't impress me this time that will be about it for me and sci.

just my .02,
T[/quote:e64900861f]

What he said.

Missouri Mitch

04-05-2005, 07:21 PM

No one should ever apologize for being who they are.
Opinons always matter.
Coexist.

aesop435

04-05-2005, 07:40 PM

Thanks, homes.
Mitch, that Donna the Buffalo show is awesome. Thanks again.

ardnutz

04-05-2005, 08:56 PM

I'm the oddball here. I don't leave shows disapointed. I go to them to have fun and I always leave shows in complete euphoria (sci included). I'm too simple minded to care what is happening between band members. Most of my time is spent dancing with others and enjoying life. I'm probably getting ripped off with this approach but I sure do have fun.

jt_denver

04-11-2005, 07:29 PM

I agree with ardnutz...

more Keller

04-11-2005, 09:04 PM

Yes oh yes, Waka will be a blast this year and SCI will bring nothing but a positive vibe to the universe, the carnival will be nice, see ya at the ferris wheel!

Salmon

04-11-2005, 10:37 PM

I don't know what the big deal is. I haven't really been into SCI since 2000 because they went in a direction with their music that didn't mesh with me. Big deal. Doesn't mean they suck or are talentless. Just for interest sake, I'll probably catch part of a show one of the two nights they are playing. There is like 50 some bands playing. Options. That's what festivals are about. If they got 50 bands that all sounded the same and had the same followings then it would be fun for a couple thousand people and not the several thousand that will attend Waka to see a diverse amount of music at low, low prices. Big Head Todd is in the same boat with me... liked them in the early 90s but wouldn't pay 10 bucks now to see them at a club. Since everything is already paid for, I'll probably make it a point to see what they sound like nowadays for a couple songs or more if I'm digging it. If not, I'll move on to whoever else is playing on whatever other stage. Beats sitting at home on a June weekend.

more Keller

04-11-2005, 11:14 PM

That's cool, I understand but this thread was started about SCI, there are many other bands I'm stoked about seein' this year, it's all good!

mad4yoga

04-12-2005, 09:54 AM

[quote:2f1c45d511=\"Denise\"][quote:2f1c45d511=\"aesop435\"]The reason you're not feeling a lot of love for Cheese around here is because for many of us, there isn't much to feel. While I loved them when they first hit the scene, their music has been on a downhill slide for years[/quote:2f1c45d511]

QFT- same old covers, same sloppy playing, same old bull****.

[/quote:2f1c45d511]

Sorry but I had to jump in on this one. It would be nice of you to look at some setlists before you make statements like this, Denise. SCI breaks out new covers usually once a tour. This spring they added Catfish John to the rotation. Last fall they did Time Goes By and Good Hearted Woman for the first time. The diversity in their covers is really one of the reasons I love SCI so much.

I'm always surprised how two people can listen to the same band, even read the same setlists and see two completely different things. I understand we are all allowed our own opinions when it comes to music, but if you're gonna knock SCI, come up with something better than \"same covers, same ... same ... same.\" They've changed their playing a lot over the years. I totally respect you if you don't care for what they do musically, but what they do today is certainly not the same as what they've done in the past.

That having been said, I am totally amped for late night sets this year. Between SCI and STS9, I'm gonna be in heaven! And I've never heard UM but I'm sure their late night set will rage as well...

mad4yoga

04-12-2005, 10:06 AM

[quote:7faa31d65e=\"ardnutz\"]I'm the oddball here. I don't leave shows disapointed. I go to them to have fun and I always leave shows in complete euphoria (sci included). I'm too simple minded to care what is happening between band members. Most of my time is spent dancing with others and enjoying life. I'm probably getting ripped off with this approach but I sure do have fun.[/quote:7faa31d65e]

I like your approach. I can't seem to ignore band members interacting with each other and/or the crowd, but I don't let what's happening on stage distract me from having a good. Usually it elevates my good time. That is, after all, why I go to shows. That's what it comes down to in the end anyway, right? If it makes you feel good, you'll want to go back. If it makes you feel even better, you'll go farther to get back. And at a Cheese show I'm shakin' my hips like a madman and smilin' my face off, so I go back to see them again. If you're bored with it, listen to something else.

It's that simple.

okienamedhef

04-26-2005, 08:02 AM

i've never been a huge sci fan, but the two times i've seen them they've truly blown me away. so i guess whether you are a big fan or not, the show is definately a positive experience... these guys seem flawless on stage!!
HOWEVER, if their gigs interfere with umphreys theres no question who is #1 in my book. I suggest umphreys to anyone who's not privy. a little phishy, a little iron maideny. does that make sense?
i've never seen or even heard sts9, so this is another priority.

2 NIGHTS UMPHS, 2 NIGHTS STS9, 2 NIGHTS CHEESE. is there a better deal anywhere?
hef